Can the death penalty be executed humanely?
Should we even be implementing it at all?
Why are we talking about this on a comedy show?
John Oliver tackles the tough questions.
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The state made the death penalty expensive so they would really want to be sure that the person is guilty and not do it on a whim like China. The price also makes it less likely to be used to silence political opponents.
I am Dutch, so i dont know shit. Yet: Do you know how much of youre taxes go to these rapists and murderers? If they did a horrible thing, and wil never get out of prison anyway: Lets just kill those fuckers, and use the money saved for something usefull.
Those "cost per execution" numbers feel fake as hell. Okay, I know it's not only the act of kill, but also costs of lawsuit, keeping sentenced person alive before the punishment (often for many years) and so on, but there's no absolutely no fucking way that it's 308 million $. I suspect that those costs were influenced by the amount of money spent on the cases of people that were later found innocent and had their death penalties canceled (in which case those costs should be added to normal punishment system costs, because anyway you would have to feed those people for this time period and do some costly (maybe not that costly) actions in the court). The fact that it's cheaper to sentence to death someone, who otherwise would spent lifetime imprisoned, is a common-sense based knowledge and the main argument, actually sparking the debates (which can go either way, from my experience as debatant).
prison is supposed to be about punishing people what they deserved, as well as the death penalty.
what on the fucking earth make you think prison is an educational institution? those Libertad made me laugh so hard.
if innocent people were executed, blame on the law enforcement system, don't make excuses for those animals.
In the end really it is about revenge. Killing the murderer won't revive the victim. So it's really up to whether or not you think it's morally acceptable to kill an asshole. And as for anti-execution arguments based on the execution can be botched:
1. They rarely happen
2. It's the executioners problem, irrelevant to the moral code of killing the assholes
So, spend pver 300 million to kill a convict, with the potential of innocence... or spend over 4 billion to provide those same convicts with basically a college dorm room and 3 meals a day. With the potential of parole...
“It is said that no one truly knows a nation until one has been inside its jails. A nation should not be judged by how it treats its highest citizens, but its lowest ones.”
This plain message America has seemed to completely miss for decades now.
Anyway we all know americans are like little trumps, loving to praise themselves while ignoring any facts presented to them.
Murica, the greatest country on Earth. LOL. Asshats!
was interested til he said if you're not interested... I have a video of tiny hamsters. 1. shit humor. 2. the one part of your segment i was genuinely keen on you ruined with poor comedy... Love most of your work but that was lame
I always wonder about the person doing the executing and the ones in the audience that are allowed to watch. What kind of person/persons can do these things? What kind of person becomes an executioner? I can't help but think how destructive the act of executing and witnessing an execution is on the human psyche.
Evem if you want the largest punishment foe the guilty, why stop at death? Death is feelingless, and is done in one swoop. Why not opt for a life sentence in solitary confinement, the guilty would go so insane he or she might kill him or herself anyways. Death sentence doesnt make any sense
The state can punish you. By barring you from society. But letting it "Own your life". Is WRONG. Even if you are a smirk faced, self justified dickhead. Like Anders Bering. The state prevents me from my baser instincs... Thats what a state does...
John Oliver for president 2020 with Bill Burr as vice pres, Jim Jefferies and Jimmy Carr as advisers, and Putin as Grandmaster. Kim Jong Un as court jester with no butt hole and tales of unicorn lairs.
I do believe that some people are just not fit to be in this world. But I don't really believe in using it as a ""punishment" per se.
And I don't think that boiling people alive should be equated with "putting people to sleep". The amount of suffering someone endures before death is something that human beings should care about.
By saying all men are equal we have compared the loyal hard working man to the junkie down the street. Pedos rapists and murderers don't need million dollar executions go down to Wal-Mart get a $20 box of cartridges take them out back and shoot them in the back of the head its that simple.
Often those junkies down the street started out being loyal hard working men.
Also "criminals" is a broad term. Would you kill someone who stole some food because their baby was hungry? Or someone who was speeding? Only murderers? Would you kill that guy from india, whose daugher was brutaly raped by a man, so he went after him, cut his balls in the street and let him bleed out infront of everyone? How about politicans or bankers who steal money, or police officers who shoot innocent people?
No executed criminal has ever committed another crime, so it is the perfect deterrent. Executing a criminal only cost a few dollars, the endless appeals due to death penalty opponents is what costs all the money.
Paradox we all have feelings hopes dreams although we should not teach our kids to dream it sets them up for failure and to be pussys they don't even know they are alive never mind born dose my head in when people say shit like kids are the future BOLLOCS because in the future they won't be kids they Wil be just as bad as now maybe worse cos all they morality as bean zaped by people looking at screens all the time pick a book up and learn something if u have kids
It is not the point if they are innocent 0r not dignity morality what are WE unbelievable we have found u guilty for killing someone now to show people that killing is wrong we are going to kill you THAT'S A OXYMORON and a contradiction in terms you can not reconcile.they the guilty of killing should be judged on a case by case trial then sent to jail if it's a mental problem nutt house for life because until we can get to the right resepters in the brain and fix them they are a danger same as sex pests it's something wrong in their heads so they should not get a short sentence because when they get out they still will have the same brain so same sick thoughts it should be life far out of the way of the public.thwy have 5 cans short of a 6 pack but that dose not mean someone else has the right to kill you an atonamas being anyone of us could crack up no one is planing to grow up a sicko it just happens reed some Sam Harris.
If there's any percent chance at all that a conviction may be incorrect; If the system rendering that verdict is capable of mistakes or flawed in any way; If there's is any possiblity at all that a single innocent person could be put to death...Then what the hell are we thinking putting people to death? Killing innocent people is murder. Flaws in our system can actually create a scenario where in the system its self ends up commiting the crime the defendant was accused of.
When I was younger I supported the death penalty. Once I actually gave it some thought I ended up being unable to find a solid defense for it's existence. Our justice system is inherently flawed because the humans that comprise it are inherently flawed. We make mistakes. There's no reason for us to be killing people based on an inherently flawed system. At the end of the day a conviction is just a group of humans intuition and a best guess. Every single convition (excluding confessions) are a guess. Guessing wether someone should be put to death sounds ridiculous to me.
I think some people do deserve to die for their crimes, such as Amon Goeth, the Ceausescu's, and others responsible for a large number of deaths. Even non-mass murderers, like someone who kills a child or beats a spouse to death. But I am not in favor of the death penalty because of the risk of killing innocent people. The policy is supposed to provide justice for the death of innocent people, yet it leaves many in its wake.
That governor's state carried out 214 executions under his leadership, probably resulting in the deaths of 8 innocent people.
I only become ambivalent about my position when it comes to dictators and those guilty of causing genocide, because there is almost no risk of wrongful conviction in those cases. Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu forced the export of agriculture, causing the starvation of their own people, among many other things, and were executed by firing squad in 1989 after they were tried for their crimes. An international tribunal sentenced Jean Kambanda to death after he pled guilty to six counts of crimes against humanity, including genocide, after he massacred 600,000 Rwandans. There are plenty more examples where those came from. Thus, I believe that the death penalty is justified in such extreme cases, especially because those cases are beyond a question of guilt.
So, I am against the death penalty unless it pertains to extreme cases such as those I listed. There can be no justice so long as laws are absolute.
The death penalty IS weakened by the fact that it is NOT performed publicly and swiftly.
Man thinks it knows better than the One who knows the mind of man - how it works.
It is psychology:
With no less than 2 witnesses shall a person be executed.
The first of kin shall cast the first stone (fire the first bullet, pull the trigger, pull a lever, push a button...).
"You shall not pay a ransom for the life of a murderer"
"... so that others may hear and FEAR, and so you shall cease having this evil done among you..."
"... you shall not pity..."
We have become, and continue to become more weak and lenient on violent crime, so crime stacks on crime, "blood touches blood", and "the land is filled with violence".
How is this humanistic social experiment doing for us now?
@Derpy Nugget . . . You fricken' idiot, you can't agree in theory but not in practice. Do you have a brain? It's people like you, with small pea brains, that is the trouble with this world. You have not ability to think, no ability to take action, you sit on the computer and live your life vicariously, wielding the power of Ceasar and thinking you and your opinion matter.
I like that concept of a botched execution resulting in the death of the convict or, as President Obama would say: "ewwwwww..." (tell me about a presidential quote, this one definitely made its way right between President Lincoln's Gettysburg Address and the "Ich bin ein Berliner" President Kennedy pronounced).
This was such lopsided bullshit. Amnesty International is not a credible witness to tell anyone whether there is "credible" evidence that the death penalty is an effective deterrent. Even if there was they would never bring it up; they are ideologically opposed to it.
Secondly, the fact we have DNA evidence is actually an argument in favor of the death penalty; it means that "4%" figure -- assuming it isn't statistical bullshit -- can get that much closer to zero. And as the death penalty is only reserved for the worst-of-the-worst, that means 96% of those executed were guilty as hell; monsters even.
Thirdly, there is an army of knee-jerk anti-death penalty types who *MAKE DAMN SURE* every death penalty case is as expensive as possible no matter how damning the evidence is. They don't care how "not innocent" the perp is. Appeal after appeal, after appeal and on and on...
Fourthly, even if you lock someone up for life for decades through legal error, can they get back any of those lost years? Or get over the prison beatings, or rapes?
Jeffrey Dahlmer was sentenced to 15 consecutive life sentences plus 90 years (plus one life sentence from Ohio) because Wisconsin was to noble to execute the guy outright with a lethal injection. He was found sane and quite evil. He was also eventually beaten to death by a fellow inmate with a barbell handle. So, the state couldn't guarantee his-- or anyone's -- safety simply doing their time and he got a much nastier death than the state could legally inflict even if they wanted to.
Which brings us to point five: The state is not allowed to use cruel and unusual punishments of the medieval sort. We do not allow the victims to execute the criminal. It is done solemnly and usually with regret that the asshole in question couldn't make a better use of their lives. Society cannot function if criminals are free to do what they like knowing they will never face anything worse than free room and board.
I took a college class in Criminology, and while there were some interesting theories various criminologists had, the end result was inconclusive; nature vs nurture is notorious for that quality. One criminologist, Enrico Farri, concluded that there was no predicting recidivism and essentially said, "If they commit a violent crime like murder execute them. If they commit a fairly serious crime, put them in prison; if they come back committing another semi-serious crime, execute them!"
The number of people in prison because they killed with an AR-15 is hardly worth bringing up; it's a statistical rounding error. Most of the death-row inmates are their because they used a knife, or a hand gun, or a rope, or poison, or explosives, or gasoline...also their dicks as rape is frequently thrown-in as a bonus.
I am aware of all the points in your last paragraph...I read the article in the link. I simply maintain that you cannot compare Norway to the US. They are totally different countries with completely different demographics.
Last year, according to census numbers America had a population of 326 million people (probably higher). Norway had 5.23 million. There are a shit-ton of other factors in play hiding behind those numbers and it isn't the existence of guns. Some areas of America with the most guns have the least crime, others that try to ban guns have the most even after the ban.
For example, in the US one thing that has remained consistent over the years is off-the-chart black crime; (often black on black.)
Now, the majority of African-Americans are law-abiding, and they make-up about 12.5 % of the population. So, cutting that figure in half and rounding down you have 6.25% remaining as potential criminals. However, since males in this demographic overwhelmingly commit more crime than the females, you would have to cut that 6.25% in half leaving roughly 3%.
Here's the kicker: That 3% is responsible for over half of all violent crimes in the US (murders, rapes, etc.) that's one very busy 3%!
I don't pretend to know the answer to nature vs nurture, but I do know people are NOT the same. They may be equally "presumed innocent until found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt," but that is a polite legal fiction. Sometimes the evidence makes that presumption eye-rolling. In any case, when the state executes a murder, it is saying a number of things: 1. The lives of the victims mattered. 2. Society will not tolerate murderous thugs. 3. Justice demands severe crimes be dealt with with the only penalty that *guarantees* ZERO recidivism.
It is immoral to coddle evil.
"If they were capable of acting like something other than animals, they wouldn't be in the fucking place!" and yet, they have a rate of 25% to fall back into criminality, whilst the US has a 75%. The main difference with Norway is that unlike in the US, you don't have to worry that your crazy neighbour has an AR-15 and some shotguns laying around. And yes, I'll tell you this, crime isn't written into someone's DNA. So, because you're born under a tyrant communist regime, does it mean you're inherently bad?
There is definitely something wrong with the US system if people are being ass-raped every day and eaten alive or whatever, and that all makes sense, with a 76.6% recidivism rate, it's very logical.
You know what the maximum prison sentence is in Norway? (And quite frankly, in most of the European countries it's something around that, and believe me, we have our fair share of "immigrant scum"), 21 years, and this includes things like war crimes and genocide. This is how long Anders Breivik is going to serve, the terrorist who killed 77 people, in his three-room high-security "cell". And I'll tell you, their prison guards are doing just fine.
Norway isn't the US. In fact, we have very few Norwegians incarcerated in the US...so maybe Norwegians are temperamentally more agreeable and less inclined to violent crime. No, America has to deal with imported assholes that Norway does not; and they are either not interested or incapable of *being* rehabilitated.
For me, the money quote in that article was:
"If we treat people like animals when they are in prison they are likely to behave like animals. Here we pay attention to you as human beings."
What a joke. If they were capable of acting like something other than animals, they wouldn't be in the fucking place!
Comparing Norway to the US is comparing apples to oranges.
It isn't the US prison system, it's that on top of our home-grown psychos, the US has taken-in so many worthless excuses for human beings it's not even remotely funny. Cuba emptied their prisons onto our shores, and we took them!
I hate to tell you , but there are some people who are just rotten, damnable, and sometimes just plain evil; and frankly, I don't care what their story is. Lots of people have less-than-ideal upbringings that don't commit rape, murder, armed robbery etc.
You also assume that a prison can re-rehabilitate almost anyone. ...And for some low-level offenders it works well enough even in the US. Here, people are free to be as stupid, cruel, and hopeless as they wish. If you were to import Norwegian guards into our maximum security prisons, they would be ass-raped and eaten alive.
I'm all for encouraging offenders with educational opportunities and the like while in prison, but the Norway model wouldn't work for shit in this country. We already have animals on the street, and when we put them behind bars, they know why they are in with the other animals. Society cannot function if predators are permitted to attack society only to get a comfy 20-year free-ride in soft accommodating conditions. It's a slap in the face of justice.
This just shows how backward your legal, jurisdictional and prison system is. In most western countries imprisonment is about re-educating them to make these people functioning members of society again. Most prisoners were just extremely unlucky with their life, they're not born "bad". Look at the statistics shown in this article for example about Norway https://www.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12?international=true&r=US&IR=T
The first time I learned about the death penalty I was in 7th grade and we had to pick a small non-fiction educational book. I had read 4 I didn’t find interesting, found the death penalty one and read it twice. (So basically I had formulated an educated opinion for death penalty at 12 years old)
Maybe this is why i’m a messed up almost adult. :P
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