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Bitcoin Market SELL OFF! Will it STOP?

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Banana Bandana (5 days ago)
I dono I set it to buy $100 of lite coin a week. I think dollar cost average and just stop worrying about it Even if it's $20 a week at worst you'll lose $20 a week who cares Of course this all started happening 4 days after I got back into crypto This crash is probably my fault
enviar desnudos (6 days ago)
I’m glad my application to buy bitcoin got denied because of my expired license 😁
Peter Jovic (6 days ago)
Bitcoin is far overpriced.real price is about $300. Dont be fool and belive those morons talkig crap. I see predictions after predictions and they are wrong every time why becouse they have know any idea what a crap they talking about. My advice invest few hundred dollars and leave it.if you win u win if not hay few hundred buks every one can afoed to loose.
Stock Trader (6 days ago)
It will be a repeat of 2013. BTC dipped below poverty line and accumulated for a year before the bull run. Scroll back to 2013 and do a comparison. You'll see a similar pattern
Tamas Jojart (6 days ago)
Bitcoin will die because 1:its harder to get money from it by miners, 2: HODL-ers will not move the price chart only new investers and they see better options even on the crypto market. Even if Bitcoin go up on the market it couldn't make a profit more than 10x/year and many altcoins have this wit ha good chance. 3: scaling problems (altcoins are faster and cheaper) 4: Usecase (the only reason to buy now is to exchange it to altcoins. Exchanges realized this and moving in the direction of the altcoin market for example: Binance planning fiat and Coinbase planning ERC20 tokens. Who will buy bitcoin when they can buy altcoins on the exchanges directly? In addition to that atomic swaps coming...)
John Michael Ferrer (6 days ago)
Sure it will stop. We do know about it. It's cryptocurrency. Everyone should know by now that these trends are normal for crypto. Hope I can buy many more tokens. I wonder what to buy?? :))
Jayson Macaraeg (6 days ago)
LEDU tokens. LEDU LEDU LEDU!
MyGman68 (6 days ago)
selling is not giving up on crypto. Isn't it better to buy in at a cheaper price ?
MyGman68 (6 days ago)
Why would you hold onto ice melting. Better to wait on the sidelines till it bottoms.
Gary Bentley (6 days ago)
no ne knows what's going to happen you either
Rabie Alkamouchi (6 days ago)
Buy in 5000 doller
Cameron Woods (6 days ago)
I wish it would drop to $2 a coin. This I'd the best thing that can happen. It's a reset button and if people are quick enough they can secure their fortune for their family! Bitcoin by $1,000,000 by 2020!
ghassan M (6 days ago)
Crypto is not a God to believe in.... it is a technology that didn't meet market expectations.
Israel's Blessing (6 days ago)
great analysys. Blessings
17Hermeticone17 (6 days ago)
the bitcoin community should not allow big banks or big institutions to buy into bitcoin . they are the reason why bitcoin was created .
Lawrence Stewart (6 days ago)
here's the problem, bitcoin was only a first mover and is no longer the technological superior coin. It's technology and inherently prone to disruption. Only looking at market trends on a single coin while completely ignoring a technology analysis (not technical analysis!) is completely useless and leads to every coin being affected by a much larger degree than they should be. The market is dumb. My long term forecast is bitcoin is going to zero.
Alfred (6 days ago)
4k baby! Let's embrace it.
T2 (6 days ago)
Let the BTC drop and get the ONT & ICX....mainnet is comming soon guys. Those coins will gain much more than BTC
salman ihsan (6 days ago)
May b in 17th july bull will start and will go ent of 2018
D Rye (6 days ago)
Bitcoin will go down to what it cost to mine, my guess is 13 to 1400 enjoy the ride, all the so-called libertarians the bottom early LOL sold and are selling
Bob Tan (6 days ago)
Good video. Thanks Bud.
Ken Semotiuk (6 days ago)
Bitcoin will continue to drop tob$5,000 and sometimes in the later part of 2018 will drop to around $1000!
Philipp Drescher (6 days ago)
Self-fulfilling prophecy
DCUPtoejuice (6 days ago)
Every crypto holder needs to get one person to take the time to buy a little for the hodl
James Winsoar (6 days ago)
Big bounce up next!
Jacob Broughton (6 days ago)
Great overview Cryptobud! Love your videos. I've been bearish on btc for a while now, i'm intrigued to know where we are in the market cycle currently. Hey man think you could take a look at a couple projects? Fr8 Network and Muirfield IP. They look wildly interesting and i'm sure you'd take interest to them as well!
Kristaps Linkuns (6 days ago)
take of the sell orders an you will see the change in one week 50k
Double Jai (6 days ago)
T A R G E T 3 5 0 0 $ ! BUBBLE BURST! LOVE IT.
NoelSphinx (6 days ago)
That we are here today is testament that the markets does the complete opposite of what you guys think. Meaning: It is going up!
bharat Tiwari (6 days ago)
2500$ or more mother crypto is going to die soon. Plz out plz money hard to earn. save
Michael Alpine (6 days ago)
I believe that ever since mid December the banksters have been slowing destroying the crypto markets by manipulating bitcoin in the bitcoin futures market. Do you think this will eventually end, and why? Keep in mind what they have done to gold and silver for decades in the futures market.
Ralph Raymond (6 days ago)
XRP might just be the only digital asset that will have real world utility- it will be used by major banks after the pilot trials are over later this year-they are also making plans to decouple from Bitcoin. An EOY price prediction for XRP of $10 was also made by the CEO of SBI holdings which is very rare in Japan due to their conservative culture. Your other points are incredibly valuable. Thank you Ivan.
BackToConstitution (6 days ago)
Why do you use CoinMarketCap? You're not aware of CoinPuffs? LiveCoinWatch? You get ads and popups from CoinMarketCap! As for predictions, you're better off discussing the recent past, because when you predict the future, you're ALWAYS wrong! You can make vague predictions and then claim victory when you interpret what you predicted, AFTER THE FACT! You CANNOT make a accurate prediction about the future, whether it's one day, one year or a decade! Nobody can do it! 99.9% of them are wrong and the rest make a false claim that they predicted it!
Paddle Partner (6 days ago)
Everything is moving so much faster in Crypto! We will be at 4k in the next 30 Days! What a buy! The recover will happen really fast. So much good stuff happening.
DarkWiser (6 days ago)
This coment of mine can be kind of weird but i believe the 250 Billion MCap is very well "held" buy HODLERs... I mean is the strongest "absolute" bottom we have right now. This is my opinion and i don't know how to justify that... I saw it happen a few times now
Le LEVYATHAN (6 days ago)
I don't think the bullish euphoria is back, they are taking profit, the bubble still did not deflate completely ... the losses were too big ... still too much mistrust, there's not enough volume Only the very deep will detonate the next bullish explosion
MGTOW Rubicon (7 days ago)
The Bitcoin Tulip Mania bubble has burst for obvious reasons. I don't like saying this, but I will: I told you so over a year ago. Buying Bitcoin to speculate for capital gains in government fiat currency was a Fool's Errand. Fully traceable, inefficient transactions with high fees doomed Bitcoin from inception. Switch to a low-volatility cryptocurrency that is extremely private and untraceable, such as Monero with Kovri [XMR]. Use it as a private bank account for transactions (buying and selling products & services), instead of speculating for capital gains measured in government fiat currency.
MGTOW Rubicon (7 days ago)
Don't bank on a "Dead Cat Bounce".
J.W.A. (7 days ago)
go CB!! thumbs up for the vid.
Kayzef2003 (7 days ago)
4k from 18k high is just ridiculous and makes me doubt the viability of bitcoin as a currency. It is absolutely unimaginable that a true currency like the dollar would drop over 75% in 6 months. Even currency of banana republics never occilate this much.
Reyno Pluhar (7 days ago)
How long do you expect before 4k price point?
Felix Lopez (7 days ago)
We need to stop watching the "fuders" if this is the right word 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
Thanks for video. What you can tell about the arbitration bot bibitbot com . So he is good how speak about him? Thanks
Nick Kingston (7 days ago)
remember hearing that crypto couldnt get hacked, safe as houses, its failing
BluGyal (7 days ago)
It's crazy what's happening with banks here in Canada, I can't even fund my accounts to buy during the dip. Big banks want to get in and keep little guy out.
James Winsoar (7 days ago)
Good time to buy I think!
Art Greg (7 days ago)
Between 5k and 6k
Florea Sorin (7 days ago)
I belive you Bud , probably i have 0.1% comparing to you - invested in January as you guessed, down 80% here , but i am continuing to learn and adapting . Thank you for the daily insights and stable strategy you have , you loose when you sorrender. Coinbase lunched Index Found. Investers comming
shafai888 (7 days ago)
I have a theory I'd be interested in getting your opinion on. Liquidity is getting increasingly thin as more people HODL, therefore small volume on the selloff can cause drastic losses, you touched on that in your video. That said, the same should be true for a bull market, right? So if there was a bull run, caused by institutional inflow, then I'd expect even very little volume required to take this back to +$10k. What's your thoughts on this?
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josh moore (7 days ago)
annnndd the bubble is popping.
Veritas Liberabit (7 days ago)
Wrong trendline
Casey Langenberger (7 days ago)
Dude. We've been in a bear market for 6 months. Get with the times.
David Bermudez (7 days ago)
Let it drop more so I can buy more This is nothing but a “psychological game” by the MOVERS to shake off “weak hands”
ghassan M (6 days ago)
It is not a good idea to grab a falling knife
Crypto Medic (6 days ago)
This is how I feel... keep it low for a little longer so I can complete my collection
bizzle (7 days ago)
Biggest part of bitcoin is in the hands of few, that way you never know where the bottom is. Say this, and that happens. Say that and this happens.. At the same time i think bitcoin might be one of the few with value in 10 years from now but most will die even those that people are shilling on that they are great projects
bizzle (7 days ago)
You sound nervous like you lost some money. I live in Europe (Belgium) and on national television there is a tv spot running that discourages people getting into crypto. The image most people have from Europe is that it is extremely pro crypto. The reality is different and not only in Belgium. Yes blockchain is getting tested but governments shit on all these coins. Understandable because big companies dont need these coins to use blockchain. Maybe the future of crypto will not be the moonshine people are thinking...
Tim Chaffin (7 days ago)
You are succumbing, think about this- Coinbase,they just announcd their Crypto Index Fund. This fund requires minimum 200k deposit. Only big pockets allowed, Banks, along with other large funds will park their money in the Index. Wells Fargo just stopped Credit Card purchases for Crypto, just announced. They Don't want people using the Banks money to profit from the run up they know is coming. A little more patience, 4k is to late to not end up chaseing the price.
jeremy k (7 days ago)
Great content cryptobud. a false breakout seems very plausible as a last flush out of sellers.
Phillip Thomas (7 days ago)
You have to love crypto when everybody hates it and they are starting to .buy 🚨🎶💰 .not financial advice lol
Paul joseph (7 days ago)
Binance has four times the users it had .7 months ago go figure that one out LOL
ATLANTIS B (7 days ago)
I don't c any light till mid 2019. people lost lots of money. 3-4k will be a good entry
moonshinefuel (6 days ago)
Yep, to expect to have another bull run that comes anywhere near the last one we had to 20K by the end of this year is silly. We're going to be consolidating with various moves the rest of this entire year. 3-4k is perfectly reasonable in the months to come. Not sure it's a healthy thing to do for content creators to suggest otherwise, but they're everywhere saying 20-50k by the end of this year, makes me laugh, but on the other hand I think it's a bit irresponsible too, seems like they are appeasing to the masses and trying to keep their page views up telling people what they want to hear.
Crypto Caan (6 days ago)
I would love that.
hellyeah66613 (6 days ago)
ATLANTIS B i share this view on the market
Black Tiger (7 days ago)
I would for sure bit a whole coin if that low..
Nikolas X (7 days ago)
They want it to go to $4K-$5K level so they can get in at a great price. This is all part of their master plan. They’ve been toying with us with these little bump ups.
Gary Bentley (6 days ago)
wrong they want us out they hate us
Ont Ology (7 days ago)
TIME TO GO BACK TO STOCKS
AKS (5 days ago)
Dubble D Yes, the company is "on sale". So is Bitcoin. The question is, which over the long term will make investors a profit? We shall see....
Andrew P (5 days ago)
Yea , go back to loose all your money
Dubble D (6 days ago)
AKS , GE is down 50% over the last year.
Mt. Carmel 1914 (6 days ago)
It's not that bad lol! This is more honest by far
AKS (6 days ago)
Exactly.......really boring SP500 or TSX 60 indexes, or quality company stocks like General Electric or The Royal Bank, will, over the long haul, beat inflation and allow you to own a small part of some good companies. Bitcoin, on the other hand, is really exciting, and rather mysterious. And we need lots of blah blah blah and charts to explain how it will not simply go lower and lower to zero.
Indra Pratama (7 days ago)
this is ramen time CB lol
Mkultra90 K (7 days ago)
The 🐻s are back in Town
Cryptobud (7 days ago)
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Phoenix Coin (7 days ago)
Yes all cryptocurrency will go up to zero and many more zeros after the dot. Bring on one world currency!! GOLD!! IN GOD WE TRUST MONEY
Gary Bentley (6 days ago)
bullshit
alan b (7 days ago)
Vechain is coming to save the market w/ real world mainnet. Cross yourselves and kiss Thor’s holy ring.
BluGyal (7 days ago)
alan b mainnet = kiss of death
JFomo (7 days ago)
Its a nightmare
Tim Raw (7 days ago)
JFomo nightmare for some. Dream come true for others.
I’m loading up on HelloGold(HGT). It was once over $0.30 and it’s under a penny now. Only 1 billion supply. This is the dark horse that could make a lot of people a LOT of money!!!
Rickety Cricket (7 days ago)
But the dip boys, buy the dip
Sylver Chavez (7 days ago)
Let it hit the floor! Banks and financial institutions don’t get in at the end. There are investigations into manipulation. Which I’m sure there is. My opinion. The earthquake has taken the tide out to sea. We just have to wait until the tsunami comes back in! That may be 2-3 month or it may be 6 depending on the amount of manipulation. But I’m not cashing in and let the 1% be the only ones to catch the wave! I’m all in!
Paddle Partner (6 days ago)
100% correct! Buying very soon!
Carlos Guillen (7 days ago)
‪Institutions are going to plumet this to the floor so they can buy. They have the $ and power. Call bluff and DCA all the way down however low they want to go. Call it the limbo buy!! Haha ‬
Bart van den berg (7 days ago)
stop giving advice to people. you are wrong ALLOT of times. this week only you made complete bullshit vid on the 6th and you know it!!
Mt. Carmel 1914 (7 days ago)
Honestly we don't know where the "value" in crypto is coming from or how to actually "value" the market. TBH this all guess work because if we are being real here we can not actually use traditional trend analysis on crypto. Especially since most of the projects aren't even functioning yet...there is not real market value, there is nothing to compare this market to so "fundamental and technical analysis" is dead. People need to actually do the research and invest in projects they believe in and quit fooling yourself in thinking you can actually call this market. This space is great, a lot of big ideas and no doubt the market will be worth trillions (at some point in the future) but as for now...don't lie to yourself. invest in what you believe in and don't risk more that you can. Peace!
Cameron Woods (19 hours ago)
Mt. Carmel 1914 See my success and then kill yourself. :-)
Cameron Woods (19 hours ago)
Mt. Carmel 1914 No fool, I have made a fortune off bitcoin. You're just jealous you lost all your money and that you can't think for yourself. That's why you work for a democratic party ran troll farm.
Mt. Carmel 1914 (1 day ago)
bro, you need pills or a friend or something. Seek help
Mt. Carmel 1914 (1 day ago)
What are you talking about? LMFAO! You can't even read a comment let alone read a chart. No part of what you are saying makes any sense, it's actually disturbing. 1. Nowhere in my comments am I "discouraging" people from getting into crypto. 2. "cryptography" and trading the market are two very different things that have almost nothing to do with each other. 3. you can't read...kick rocks
Cameron Woods (1 day ago)
Mt. Carmel 1914 Again. You are wrong child. I really wish you would listen how to read. Facebook was created to spy on people and illegally sell their personal information.
Paulie Moons (7 days ago)
I thought Wyckoff was ‘gone til November’ ...
Paddle Partner (6 days ago)
THINGS ARE MOVING SUPER FAST! MOVING MONEY IN THIS WEEK, BUYING OVER NEXT FEW WEEKS
Thatskool3741 (7 days ago)
Good for you c,b, Im exited! Buying at 5000, 4000, yay!!😎😎
Crypto Revolt (7 days ago)
3-4K sounds about right if you think it will retrace to previous big corrections ; 85% correction a few years back.
Crypto Revolt (7 days ago)
This whole space needs to be "cleaned up" before the scams, the manipulation, the touts, the hacks, the lack of security etc etc etc take it down to nothing. Crypto has become a parody of itself.
TheNozzman (7 days ago)
You are partly right, there are a lot of scams out there. But also a lot of established coins with a solid development team
Tchopind Kig (7 days ago)
4k seems extremely low, I can see bottom at $5500. Good support at 6k.
Cid Sapient (7 days ago)
if we go below 5500 entire farms will shutdown so i doubt that will happen if it does then we will see blood
Blueskys77 (7 days ago)
To be honest with fiat pairs coming soon what real use does bitcoin have? It's only used for buying alt coins. That's it. Bitcoin will continue to burn out.
moonshinefuel (6 days ago)
Because ultimately you are at their mercy and they are in complete control of your investment while your with them, not you.
moonshinefuel (6 days ago)
Blueskys77, have fun with your alts and your fearless leaders in charge of them, hope they treat you right.
J L (7 days ago)
was thinking the same thing
genesisblock (7 days ago)
oh my, you're such a noob!! XD
KRYPTO COLORADO (7 days ago)
finally a YouTuber who is not giving them stupid advice such as by the dip. Thank you for being responsible and letting people know that it is highly likely that we are going down even further.
dennis carroll (7 days ago)
Couldn’t be better, thanks for asking. Lol 😂
Sean X (7 days ago)
what I don't understand is why are you recording this video of course you don't know where the price is going and you're telling us in the video that you don't know where the price is going... so why make the video... of course you don't know I don't know either... nobody knows...
LittlePaws (4 days ago)
Sean X good points👍
Lance Newman (6 days ago)
Agreed. The market is very unpredictable. So why is this guy trying to make predictions?
V. Ramsey (7 days ago)
He does contradict himself almost every video,,, just a week ago, he was telling us to buy buy buy. Can’t blame him tho,, the market is unpredictable.
Ney Leo (7 days ago)
Hi Crypto bud went the review on NKN? Thanks
MrIzmirli35 (7 days ago)
Buy buy buy buy bullrun comesbuy buy best time to buy this level that level..
Ben Dirk (6 days ago)
salman ihsan why July 17th? lol
salman ihsan (6 days ago)
Make sure enter on 17th july after 17th july it will rise a long bull run
Michael Scott (7 days ago)
Great analysis bud. Thanks & keep it up. I'm just going to carry on hodling for 12 to 24 months. Personaly I believe the big institutional investors will move-in to this space in waves over the next 6 to 12 months!
Taurus (7 days ago)
Ah well nothing to lose might as well hodl no point in trading now its risky, awesome video :)
Shawn Andersen (7 days ago)
Not great news, but great information. Thanks!
BeeTB1 (7 days ago)
Bullrun on the horizon!!
HaloBaller9813 (6 days ago)
Wrong!
matthew melcher (7 days ago)
If you look at the wychoff curve after the spring accumulation area...boom
Chris Rock (7 days ago)
I need glasses cause I dont see it
Not Here (7 days ago)
It seems every time there is a smack down someone or some entity keeps buying slowly.... something ain’t right. Good news all over ..market bleeding
David Bermudez (6 days ago)
Not Here I’m suspecting the main culprits are TETHER & BITFINEX
Angelo Garcia (7 days ago)
No it doesn't stop.
Carl Sandstrom (7 days ago)
It might be a sell off but it also could be the fact that bitcoin was hacked for 31million over the weekend as reported by the news.
Sune Miltersen (7 days ago)
@genesisblock True. So far it's safe to say 100% impossible, as it has never happened.
Carl Sandstrom (7 days ago)
genesisblock thank you, I guess I missed that part...sorry.
genesisblock (7 days ago)
bitcoin wasn't hacked, and exchange was. its literally almost impossible to hack bitcoin
Carl Sandstrom (7 days ago)
KRYPTO COLORADO This is the first time I ever said something. I think your answer is very good and I will take your advise.
KRYPTO COLORADO (7 days ago)
Carl Sandstrom this has nothing to do with that hack. Look at all the good news is been coming out over the last couple months. This is a natural market cycle and it's going to get worse before it gets better. There's a time to be bullish and there's a time to be bearish. Both these kind of Market require different strategies. If you're just going to shout bullish all the time well then you're not changing your strategy when it needs to be done. Good luck to you brother

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